Saturday, November 03, 2007

Fenerbahce 2 - 1 Besiktas: Reflections

Fenerbahce 2 - 1 Besiktas: Reflections
Translated and Edited by Ozgur R. Nazilli

FB 1 - 2 BJK... This is what counts at the moment, and this is how the derby will be remembered as in a few months time. However, the controversies in the game will be contemplated for a good time to come.

It was an exciting derby, as it always is between Fener and Besiktas, and the drama was there too. Batuhan missing the open goal (which was saved by Edu at the line) after Volkan runs so far that he ends up out of the penalty area, Carlos giving the captain's armband that was handed to him to Volkan as a show of respect to the hierarchy of Fenerbahce and putting the armband on Volkan's arm himself even though he is "Roberto Carlos", Semih dedicating the goal he scored to his family with a shirt that said "For you" with the picture of his family, Besiktas and Fenerbahce players both failing to hear the whistle of the referee and continuing the position that ended in a goal, which in turn was disallowed since the whistle had gone off about 10 seconds earlier... In short, it really was a game deserving to be called a derby.

So, what is the impact of this game on Turkish futbol? Well, if the Besiktas President and Executives keep to their word, it is going to be huge. After the game, President Demiroren and Executive Manager Sinan Engin both stated that they will be pulling the team off the league and using the youth squad starting next week, if the referee of the game and the Vice President of the Turkish Futbol Federation do not resign from their respective positions. They believed that Besiktas was being treated unfairly by the referees, even though they had released a press statement earlier this week saying that they "trusted the Turkish referees' decisions" as a response to Fenerbahce's protest against Ismet Arzuman, the referee of the game, being chosen as the referee, due to the unfair calls he made last year against Fenerbahce in another Fenerbahce-Besiktas derby. This time however, Besiktas was on the receiving end of a controversial decision.

Zico, being the gentleman he is, gave a press conference filled with gentleness and respect for the opponent, and sidestepped any questions that might have offensive answers to Besiktas, and even commented that Fenerbahce Board's decision to protest against the referee prior to the match was "a call that he could not support", since he himself disliked commenting on referees before or even after games. We as Fenerbahce Worldwide are proud to have such an exemplary person as the manager of Fenerbahce, especially after his comment that "he would be willing to postpone the match only if the other 16 teams agreed to it too", on a question as to whether he would want the match to be postponed due to important Champions League games both teams have next week.

And now, some bits and pieces from the match that you might have missed in all the excitement:
- Deivid de Souza, after an unimpressive season last year, seems to have donned the "savior" cloak for Fenerbahce, with some crucial goals. He scored against Besiktas in the Super Cup, which Fenerbahce went on to win 2-1, scored the magnificent half-volley against Inter that brought Fenerbahce the 3 points in their first game in the Champions League, helped Fenerbahce come away with a draw in Moscow against CSKA Moscow with a long range equalizer, and finally found the back of the Besiktas net again tonight, and led Fenerbahce to another 2-1 victory against Besiktas. Kudos, Deivid!

- Fenerbahce looks like they are finally overcoming their "Besiktas fear", which led them to drop points in every single game in Kadikoy for 6 years, with a 3 match winning streak against Besiktas in the last 3 games.

- Semih, the player who was nicknamed "Young Semih" for years even though he has a wife and a child, is proving to be the striker Fenerbahce have been missing since the beginning of the year, with 4 goals and 3 assists in 4 games. That is one amazing streak for a "reserve" player. We love Kezman here in Fenerbahce Worldwide and we support fully support him, but it looks like he is going to have a hard time getting his spot on the first eleven back, if Semih continues performing like this. As long as Fenerbahce score goals and continue their impressive performance, it does not matter who holds the striker position.

- "Old man Roberto Carlos", as he was called prior to the start of the season was yet again the hardest working player on the pitch. One cannot help but be amazed to his energy and form, especially since his sprints up and down the field never stop for the whole 90 minutes. Seriously now, if you are 34 years old and 20 year olds have a hard time stopping you, you have to be something more than an "old man", no?

- Fenerbahce is now on a 16 game unbeatable streak. They have not lost a single match since the Istanbul Buyuksehir Belediyespor defeat at the very beginning of the season. Hopefully, this outstanding performance will continue on for a long time to come.

Now, the first derby of the season for Fenerbahce is behind us with a satisfying win, and we can look forward to the vital PSV game next week. If Fenerbahce manages to come away with 3 points from that match, they will most likely seal their spot on the list of teams which qualify to the next stage.

Hadi Fenerbahce!


Blogger Alex said...

SO Fener are now playing with 12 men?
The ref clearly won you the match, no way was it a foul!
It's a shame that such a match is won or lost by such a huge mistake.

May be Fener should do the right thing and offer to replay the match?

How did Deivid stay on the pitch, maybe Yilderim only knows?

As for Ismet Arzuman (the ref) how bent is this guy?

With refs like this whats the point of having a league.

3:19 PM  
Blogger Ozgur R. Nazilli said...

It is a shame that objectivity is not a trait common to the Turkish League, but I have to admit that all team bases suffer from the lack of it, including Fenerbahce's.

I do not want to have such a biased and potentially offensive argument on the website, but I would be more than happy to discuss this in length with a private conversation. My e-mail is

Alternatively, we can discuss this on the website, provided that you calm down your tone to an acceptable level.

One thing I can say right away is that that position was a foul, and this will be proved by an article in Hurriyet soon, stay tuned. Even if that was not a foul, how many times does a referee make wrong calls during the length of a match? The referee had no idea the attack would end in a goal, since he blew his whistle a good 10 to 15 seconds before the ball found the net.

Please, let's be more open minded, even when it comes to futbol.

10:32 PM  
Blogger Alex said...


I think you misunderstood my comments on the match.
Please follow link below, it's from today's Zaman.

I don't get your comment about being more open minded please elaborate as I'm only stating hard facts. That many people feel are valid.

This is just a game but if people are found to be cheating then something needs to be done sooner than later. It is my option that the Turkcell super league needs a big change.
These comments are not suppose to offend anyone, so you not take this personally.
See the bigger picture!

7:44 AM  
Blogger Oz Kanka said...

Figh, fight, fight! I'm enjoying this from the sidelines.

1:00 PM  
Blogger Ozgur R. Nazilli said...

Hi Alex,

I must have misunderstood the intention of your first post. Since it looks like we can keep our calm, let us continue discussing this matter from here :)

First of all, I must say the link you sent me is far from being objective. It is obviously written by a Besiktas fan, so it cannot be seen as an completely accurate source due to the heavy bias it has.

Unfortunately, the Turkish League is full of referee mistakes, both intentional and unintentional. Fenerbahce is possibly one of the top three clubs that suffer from the referee decisions. Not being awarded a penalty for 30 or so weeks is a good example of this fact. Now, Ismet Arzuman is being heavily criticized for the Fenerbahce-Besiktas match. However, the Besiktas Board seems to have forgotten the latest Fortis Turkey Cup final against Kayseri Erciyesspor, where the exact same referee did not award Erciyes two very obvious penalties, letting Besiktas win the cup. Besiktas executives did not appear to have any problems with Ismet Arzuman then, so is it only a problem when the mistakes are made against them? This is what I mean by being open-minded; mistakes happen all the time, and it is true that some of them maybe intentional, however, it is not like Besiktas never had a wrong decision made in their favor.
Also, yesterday the last minute foul was maybe the most innocent of the referee mistakes that affect the outcome of a game. The referee saw a foul in the position, and blew his whistle a good 10-15 seconds before the goal was scored. He had no idea that the position could end in a goal, since Fenerbahce had as many defenders as Besiktas had attackers. Whether the position is a foul or not can be debated, however, how many foul position calls are made in error in every match? This was just another one of those debatable foul calls.

In short, it was a controversial ending, yet Turkish futbol is never without its controversy, and since Fenerbahce is usually on the receiving end of bad decisions, we are used to it. Fenerbahce released a press statement prior to the match saying that they were not comfortable with Ismet Arzuman being appointed as the referee, and they continued this stance even after the win over Besiktas and did not stop complaining about the Turkish referees just because they won the game. Besiktas had attacked Fenerbahce for their press statement before the game, and now, they understand why Fenerbahce did it.

Hopefully, this problem will be solved and the biased referees will be removed from the Turkish League. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like it is going to happen anytime soon.

2:33 PM  
Blogger Gulay said...

amazing.....where was the same objectivity last season when every single FB fan was convinced that the TFF were manipulating things so that FB could not win the League, or was it not such a big problem after all when FB won the league anyway despite the apparent manipulation of the referee's for being an innocent decision, please don't make me laugh, I am biased where GS are concerned and freely admit it and believe every decision against them was incorrect but this was a joke whihc has impact on the season and the credibility of the League, and not the first time this has happened, remember Anelka and was a terrible decision but not unexpected, as for removing biased referees from the Super Lig, I agree but then there would be none left, so what we do then......and the press release obviously had the desired effect, if you believe FB really want to improve the referees than you are incredibly naive, when you say that you are not comfortable with the ref then you tend to get the 50-50 decisions in your favour as the referee is influenced by such press statements, in England Sir Alex is the master of this. If the TFF had any spine they would have replaced the referee but obviously FB are free to influence games any way they see fit.....

6:28 PM  
Blogger Ozgur R. Nazilli said...

This from a Galatasaray fan...

You see, to find an example of where the referees made a wrong call in favor of Fenerbahce, you had to go back to a long time ago when Anelka was here. With Galatasaray, you do not need to go back even a week, since you can see a perfect example with this week's game against Gaziantepspor. So Gulay, how do you feel about your equalizing goal at the very last minute? More specifically, have you heard of the offside rule? If you have, then surely you cannot defend Servet's goal, which "has an impact on the season".

Anyway, I will not get into this kind of an argument. Everyone knows that the Turkish referees are far from being objective, and each team gets its share of unfair calls... Some do more than the others.

Hopefully, when the TFF president changes, the things will change too, for the better.

6:56 PM  
Blogger Gulay said...

once again you fail to read what I wrote.., not unsurprising from a FB supporter, as for going back to when Anelka was there well I could have gone back to the last match, orthe one before or any FB match for that matter but I prefer to recall a season when the referees were so obviously biased that it was emabarrasing. If you want to start a prolonged fight go ahead, but read my post properly, take off your yellow and blue glasses and grow up .

5:14 AM  
Blogger Alex said...

I was trying to make a point about the situation that the league currently faces.
I do not want to make this discussion turn into a boring GS vs Fener argument.
On a serious note, if nothing is done about this then the little credibility the league has will disappear.
The league needs to change big time!

We need to get the fans back into the stadiums, it's depressing to watch matches will little if no one there. What's the point?

Why are these issues being left aside while the league rots away?

On Servet's goal, I'm sure that we all know the rules of the game. You can not be office if the ball comes off an opponent, Servet was in line with the last defender therefore not off side.

The Zaman article was written by Okan Bassey a true GS fan.
Who writes some very entertaining stuff.

5:55 AM  
Blogger Oz Kanka said...

Amazingly, I'm with Gulay on this one. This is one hell of a case of kettles, pots and a certain colour.

Fenerbahce have been whinging and whineing about referees for years and suddenly you get a decision in your favour and the response is from Ozgur is "each team gets its share of unfair calls".

Ozgur, first of all, don't ask that people on a football blog be all nice and respectful. If you want that go and contribute to a blog about flowers or something or other. You are on a football blog and expect to get shit thrown at you.

Secondly, as I quoted on my blog, your chairman is clearly a hypocrite on these issues. This is a quote from just a few months agao made by your beloved Aziz Yilirim:

"The TFF, under the influence of chief Haluk Ulusoy, puts pressure on the referees and the referees officiate in the games the way the federation wants them to."

You may love Fenerbahce but don't try and show that they are holier than thou.

7:17 PM  
Blogger Nathan L. Redd said...

Thank God I kept my mouth shut on this one.....:)

7:58 PM  
Blogger Ozgur R. Nazilli said...

Wow 3 against 1. Well I guess that's what I get for being a Fener fan.

OK I'll propose this: Choose a time and a means of communication (a forum, MSN, etc.), and we will have a real time discussion on this issue. How does that sound?

I like keeping Fenerbahce Worldwide as formal as possible, so I will not go into such an argument on this site. I am not "all flowers or something or other", but I will not let an argument like this unfold on Fenerbahce Worldwide.

So, here is your chance to prove that your tongue is sharper than mine and in real time too, not just leaving messages on a comments section. We will see whose team has been wronged the most, although I will admit that Anatolian teams definitely suffer more than the Istanbul teams.

So let me know your decision.

9:15 PM  
Blogger Alex said...

Ozgur, it's nothing personal, don't be so sensitive.
Just feel sorry for the poor Besiktas supports. Their moral must be pretty low, interesting to see what happens from here on in?
Will they play the PAF takim again Sivas?

5:19 AM  
Blogger Oz Kanka said...

Ozgur, its a blog... That's why you have a comments section... let everyone fight. More fun that way.

5:59 AM  
Blogger Gulay said...

personally I think Nathan got off lightly on this one.......and damn the Swedes....

9:00 PM  
Blogger Nathan L. Redd said...

Gulay, that's why I kept my mouth shut....:)

11:57 AM  

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